Deadly. Holy. Rough. Immediate.

Rusty Guinn

September 26, 2018·Money

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Baron Von Swieten: Mozart, music is not the issue here. No one doubts your talent. It is your judgment of literature that's in question. Even with the politics taken out, this thing would still remain a vulgar farce. Why waste your spirit on such rubbish? Surely you can choose more elevated themes? Mozart: Elevated? What does that mean? Elevated! The only thing a man should elevate is - oh, excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm stupid. But I am fed up to the teeth with elevated things! Old dead legends! How can we go on forever writing about gods and legends? Von Swieten: Because they do. They go on forever - at least what they represent. The eternal in us, not the ephemeral. Opera is here to ennoble us. You and me, just as much as His Majesty. Kapellmeister Bonno: Bello! Bello, Barone. Veramente. Mozart: Oh, bello, bello, bello! Come on now, be honest. Wouldn't you all rather listen to your hairdressers than Hercules? Or Horatius? Or Orpheus? All those old bores! People so lofty they sound as if they shit marble! Amadeus (1984)

A man walks across this empty space whilst someone else is watching him, and this is all that is needed for an act of theatre to be engaged. The Empty Space, by Peter Brook (1968)

We were going to send you all a survey, you know.

One month ago, Ben and I were feverishly preparing for next week’s launch. We had an exchange over email about the details of a survey we were going to include with Ben’s essay from early September. The idea was to ask our subscribers what they wanted from a subscription to Epsilon Theory. With that survey, we would also include a request for some demographic information. Income, gender, region, questions about what kinds of decisions you make at your place of employment. Things that would help us sell better, more valuable ads on the website.

Honestly, we already had a pretty good idea what we wanted to deliver through our subscriptions. What we were after was the data. We still kind of want it. We’re still probably going to ask for it some day. But there was an epiphany moment for both of us, I think, when we realized that if we were going to do that kind of thing, we should do it by telling our readers exactly what we were asking for and why. Instead, we were working up some thinly veiled artifice, creating some cartoon in which we’d leverage our goodwill to make our friends pretend they didn’t know what we were doing. What a contradiction it would have been, to launch our vision to help investors and citizens cut through abstractions and to become more honest participants in financial and political markets, by sending out a survey requesting a bunch of personal information under the auspices of interest in the things you care about.

Ben’s fond of quoting Whitman to those who call him out for contradicting what he has written in prior pieces – “Very well then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.” We do contain multitudes. You contain multitudes. It is inevitable, when we write so much about the perils of abstraction, that we should begin to regard it as an evil.  It isn’t. Memes are self-sustaining ideas that live in the human brain, and they reflect both the good and bad about us. We celebrate Narrative when it is marshaled for positive change. We respect it when it is cleverly applied. We fear it when it is used to stir up fear and division. We loathe it when it seeks to control and direct our lives through nudges under the guise of libertarian paternalism. Language is always an abstraction from some true meaning, or at least from true intent. Consider even my little confession about the survey – was my intent to tell you an honest story in good faith? Or were the words just a convenient mechanism to convey my true intent - that I wish you to see us as honest voices in a wilderness of conflicted Wall Street advice?

There are thousands upon thousands of books from thousands of authors over thousands of years discussing philosophy of language and meaning, from Socrates to Bertrand Russell. It’s not that we think we’ve discovered something new here. It’s that we think we’ve got something to say about how things that are new – always-on news, social media and the class-free global connectivity of the internet – allow each of us to conjure those primal forces to wield the kind of influence that Wittgenstein could never have dreamed of. To stoke the kind of belief in our company’s stock that could endure multiple CFO resignations, multiple SEC investigations and a bizarre public attempt at an MBO. To bring down tyrants and sexual abusers. To solidify our political tribe at the expense of national unity. To sell shoes. To sell football. To increase confidence in financial markets and the collective belief in the political will of authorities to prevent their decline.

For well-intentioned citizens, all this requires a great deal of us. It requires us to have clear eyes when others are leaning on Narrative abstractions to produce a response from us. It requires us to decide how to discern their intent. It requires us to be more mindful of our own ability to manipulate the judgments of others, and to hold ourselves accountable for our intent in doing so. It’s not the kind of thing that political science, business or economic programs really cover. That’s because this isn’t really about politics or economics.

There is, however, a field for which these questions have been the stock-in-trade for 2,500 years. Its lessons are invaluable to anyone who would navigate Narrative-driven political and financial markets. One of its finest books – and a short read, at that – is my first recommendation for anyone who is looking to understand management, communication and civics. The book is called The Empty Space. It’s about theatre.

Deadly Theatre

Over the centuries the Orphic Rites turned into the Gala Performance – slowly and imperceptibly the wine was adulterated drop by drop.

Peter Brook

Peter Brook’s 175-page masterpiece seeks to categorize and define the ways in which theatre – which he defines as ‘a man walking across an empty space whilst someone else is watching him’ – is performed. In all, Brook identifies four varieties of theatre: deadly, holy, rough and immediate. Each of them is a pitch-perfect description of the ways in which any performative use of language interacts with an audience, whether it’s a theatre troupe performing a play, a politician giving a policy speech or a CEO discussing earnings.

Brook’s definition of Deadly Theatre will be familiar to anyone who goes to see the theatre from time to time. Frankly, it would be familiar to anyone who has an idea in their head of what a play or opera looks like, because Deadly Theatre is by definition the Common Knowledge about what theatre is. Deadly Theatre is every heavily affected To Be or Not to Be speech. It is every spear-toting, blonde-braided Brünnhilde in an absurdly contoured half-breastplate. It is the understudy of the nth Broadway casting of Alexander Hamilton, watching YouTube videos of Lin-Manuel Miranda from a Crown Heights apartment, desperately trying to recreate the mix of charismatic bravado, ambition and self-consciousness audiences remember from the original character.

Deadly Theatre is a performance that is so deeply abstracted from its source material that it has become painfully, obviously artificial to anyone who is paying attention. A stylish disaster, it looks right, but feels wrong to even the most untrained eye. All that we call political correctness falls into this category. We remember what it is like to be offended. We remember, or think we remember someone telling us about what battles for social justice in the 60s and 70s felt like, or maybe we saw it in a documentary. Then we go through the motions, performing the rituals of offense as best we can remember them. Our friends play the roles of heroes rallying to the defense of the offended.

The parallels with demonstrations of patriotic correctness are no accident, for they are Deadly Theatre, too. We witnessed love of country and acts of service by statesmen and warriors in the past, and instead of studying and internalizing the source of their passions, we perform the outward rituals we remember. The flags. The speeches. The lapel pins. That Lee Greenwood song – you know, the one he wrote before he adapted it to “God Bless You, Canada” for profitable distribution in the Canadian market. Like political correctness, each individual’s actions may stem from good intentions, but empty ritual is still empty ritual.

As investors, once we start looking for it, we realize that Deadly Theatre is all around us. There is the fussy baroque opera of operational due diligence on fund managers. Oh, it’s a flurry of busy-looking activity – the checklists, the ‘process’, the consultant grades – when no manager hiring decision in 10 years has been influenced by this activity, outside of the results of references and background checks. And yet, we – or more accurately, our clients - would take offense at its absence.

There is the big, bombastic, pyrotechnics- and celebrity cameo-laden Broadway show, which is the consultant-led strategic asset allocation review conducted by every institutional asset owner in the world every five years or so. Here are 300 pages of research from our 150 Ivy League-trained analysts telling you why we’ve modified our 10-year assumption for “Emerging Markets” returns by 50 basis points. In the end, because we’ve also modified our volatility assumption and currency expectations, it all comes out as kind of a wash, so we’re not actually recommending any changes. But don’t you feel better, safer after this whole experience?

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Paul and Lloyd Waner in 1932

There is the complex pageantry of pre-Stanislavski Russian theatre that is sell-side stock research. It is produced with flourishes of language, and the patina of knowing expertise. It is consumed by those who say “they don’t use it” to clients and “I only use it to see what others are thinking” to peers, when the way buy-side analysts really consume it is to copy the assumptions into a spreadsheet model, read about the company for a few days, and think really hard about what kind of twist on a ‘key assumption’ sounds like it would appeal to the portfolio manager. Yet all of these forms must be observed.

To the Citizen and to the truth-seeking investor, Deadly Theatre is moribund. Worthless. To be observed but rejected wherever it manifests. To be ruthlessly rooted out of our own behavior.

And these forms don’t emerge out of nothing. They are imitations of something which was once new and real before it was replaced by convention. Some of us remember doing these things when they mattered, or we remember how some professor who did them once described them to us.

Holy Theatre

A false symbol is soft and vague; a true symbol is hard and clear. When we say ‘symbolic’ we often mean something drearily obscure: a true symbol is specific, it is the only form a certain truth can take.

Peter Brook

Holy Theatre is theatre in which those parts of life which escape our senses become manifest. In other words, it is the theatre of true memes, the heuristics and recognized patterns that exert irresistible influence on eusocial animals in a culture that has survived for millenia on the basis of those heuristics and recognized patterns.

It is also, as Brook writes, the true dream behind the debased ideals of the Deadly Theatre. Deadly Theatre succumbs to the belief that somewhere, someone has found out and defined how a play should be done, and that we ought to replicate it. Holy Theatre, on the other hand, recognizes that reproducing the words and motions of a magnificent play at a different place and time will not faithfully reproduce its meaning.

Most of what we call ‘Narrative’ in these pages is Deadly Theatre. It is useful to recognize it, and at times it may be necessary to exploit the behaviors it engenders, but it is a primary source of abstraction in our personal, political and professional lives. As Ben has written, however, memes are often the building blocks of Narrative. Our natural vulnerability to memes lays the groundwork for a Narrative’s spread. So it is that much of Narrative is Holy Theatre. Its informational content is contained in the feelings, emotions, attachments and aversions that it evokes, rather than the meaning of its words. It emphasizes Truth over truth, which makes it a dangerous weapon (for good or ill). Like anything that we describe by saying “you know it when you see it”, Holy Theatre is hard to describe in words. Except for Ben, who wrote at length about it some weeks ago, in an essay called Notes from a Birmingham Museum:

What makes the museum so effective in communicating a difficult story well? Just that. They present it as a story, as a narrative. Not a cartoon story of Superheroes, although it’s impossible to avoid some degree of hagiography when it comes to this stuff, and not a cartoon story of Social Justice™, either, although here, too, it’s impossible to eliminate completely the heavy-handed nudging of the Smileyface State. No, it’s mostly a story of … people. Of the actual lives of actual people. It’s immersive and it’s real. It creates a compelling narrative arc, but not in a way that feels scripted or forced.

The Birmingham Museum is Holy Theatre. The Julius Caesar production Ben mentioned in Always Go to the Funeral was Holy Theatre. Yet Holy, in the sense we mean here, should not be universally understood to mean ‘good’ like it did in Ben’s note. Just as Holy Theatre may be comedy or tragedy, its manifestations in political and financial markets may be directed toward good or bad ends. George Bush standing on the mound at Yankee Stadium in a FDNY jacket to deliver the first pitch after 9/11 is Holy Theatre, but so is Hitler delivering the Nuremberg Address in 1938. Enemy! is a meme of Holy Theatre, a spell cast by good and evil men alike, and a key source of our present political division. The Hero! meme of Holy Theatre induces us to seek out those who hold themselves out saviors, some of whom truly are, but most of whom are not. The Wizard! meme stokes our passion for genius, for those capable of making deflation or SEC investigations into an MBO-by-Twitter go away with a few magic words.

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Paul and Lloyd Waner in 1932

To the Citizen and to the truth-seeking investor, Holy Theatre should be consumed with eyes wide open. Open to the beauty that only its deep connections with our nature are capable of invoking. Open to see the way in which others who would manipulate us would use it to further their own ends.

Rough Theatre

They analyzed the sounds made by clarinets, flutes, violins, and found that each note contained a remarkably high proportion of plain noise: actual scraping, or the mixture of heavy breathing with wind on wood. From a purist point of view this was just dirt, but the composers soon found themselves compelled to make synthetic dirt – to ‘humanize’ their compositions.

Peter Brook

While all theatre – and indeed, any interaction relying on language – is inherently performative and full of abstraction from true meaning, not all of it is grand and reliant on meme in the way that Deadly and Holy Theatre are. Much of theatre is a joy not because it meets some deep-seated intrinsic longing, but because it meets us where we really are. Physically, emotionally, plainly. Brook calls this Rough Theatre.

Its definition will vary by individual. To Brook, it is salt, sweat, noise, smell: the theatre that’s not in a theatre, the theatre on carts, on wagons, on trestles, audiences standing, drinking, sitting round tables. To me, Rough Theatre is a minor league baseball game. It is a marathon session of D&D. It is a midnight showing of Henry V at the New Globe in Southwark in the rain, teeth chattering with other patrons as Hal strides into the audience to clap hands on strangers’ shoulders and deliver a shouted St. Crispin’s Day speech. It’s a no-BS financial advisor boldly telling prospects that she has no idea where the market is going, and that any FA who tells you that they do is a liar. Anywhere the play is play.

The Rough Theatre is not Truth, but truth. The stories it tells can be direct, foul-mouthed and profane. While it is still subject to the kind of silly exaggerations of Deadly Theatre, there is no malice or attempt to summon memes for some lofty purpose. There may still be abstractions in the performance, but they are of the kind that exist in all language. The aim is authenticity.

And sure, authenticity! itself can be a meme, like an ‘artisanally crafted’ turkey sandwich at a Panera store. But that’s not what I’m talking about here. When I say authentic, I am talking about performances which are delivered in a language, at a place, and at a time that serves the audience, and not the speaker. Rough Theatre in our social and political lives doesn’t really scale, because it is nearly impossible to speak authentically to a big, broad audience. In its native environment among small groups, it is honest advice freely given, without calculation about how it will serve our reputations or our metagame. It is bad news delivered swiftly. It is self-deprecation and lack of pretense.

To the Citizen and the truth-seeking Investor, Rough Theatre is a necessary part our language. Sometimes small-t truth from a trusted friend or adviser is the only thing that can dispel the fear, anger, overexuberance and other emotions conjured by a parade of pompous Truths from Missionaries.

Immediate Theatre

In the Russian tradition of Stanislavsky, the actor says, 'I will tell you a story about me.' In the German tradition of Brecht, the actor says, 'I will tell you a story about them.' In the Vietnamese tradition, the actor says, 'You and I will tell each other a story about all of us.'

Le Hun

Theatre of the first three varieties has one universal trait: its performers have a meaning in mind before the curtain goes up. That meaning – even in Rough Theatre, seeking to avoid affectation - has been meticulously planned for months. Imagine, if you will, the preparation for a typical play: dramaturgs cut scripts to a director’s specifications, but also based on their training and experience. Actors memorize their lines, practicing them alone before they later rehearse them with the other actors. Costume and set designers begin their work as well, attempting to reflect the director’s intent, but also their own vision and ingenuity. Director and choreographer set the blocking before a single actor steps on the stage.

Before the first performance, each component of such a production represents an abstracted version of a director’s abstracted vision of what words and instructions on a page written years ago might have meant to a very specific troupe of actors. But even more, each component is necessarily abstracted from the unknowable environment in which the play will be presented on one night or another. The fourth type of theatre, which Brook calls Immediate Theatre – is a response to this problem. Immediate Theatre is dynamic theatre – responsive to time, responsive to venue, and most importantly, responsive to the audience.

It is impossibly tricky to pull off. As any improvisational musician will tell you, your understanding of the underlying chord structure and rhythm of the music must be greater, not less, if you intend to make up the melody as you go. As any portfolio manager keen on making large, seemingly idiosyncratic bets will tell you, it takes more of an understanding of risk and interrelationships between positions to navigate that kind of strategy, not less. So it is that Immediate Theatre requires a near-perfect understanding of the source material, of the other actors, of the meaning embedded in the play, to be capable of responsiveness and adaptation to setting and time, much less to the audience. When this works together, it is magical, if ephemeral. A moment that cannot be recaptured.

In the practical, non-stage versions of the three other kinds of theatre we practice, we engage with society and other people with some objective in mind. Perhaps we wish for them to feel a certain way about us, to see us as kind, or intelligent or credible. Perhaps we wish for them and their influence to diminish. Perhaps we wish for them to select us, to do business with us, to hire us. Every aspect of these interactions is theatre, and in pursuing these objectives, in using language as abstractions of some ulterior intent, we perform a role to an audience. Sometimes that’s the way it has to be.

But there is a beauty to choosing to tell a story about all of us instead of a story about ourselves. That’s what Immediate Theatre is. That’s also what we mean by finding your pack - people whose aims you make part of your own, and whose intentions you trust implicitly. Maybe that pack is your family, your friends, your neighbors. If you’re a financial advisor or investor, I hope it includes your clients. If you become an ET subscriber when we outline how you can do that next week, I hope it includes some like minds you find in some of our interactive features. With these people, we can speak as directly as language allows without fear. We can put words to our intents, as best we are able, and trust that they will be heard.

Even outside of our narrow networks of trust and shared aims, there is still room for incorporating the authenticity of Rough Theatre and the dynamism of the Immediate. The citizen and the fiduciary can still reject the monologues of the Holy Theatre and theatrics of the Deadly in favor of a more direct objective in our performative use of language: to understand and to be understood

It is our hope that Epsilon Theory can play a small role in keeping this ethic alive. In the meantime, Narrative – both Deadly and Holy – surrounds us, and we will continue to point it out where it exists. Celebrating it, when we think it serves some good purpose. Subjecting it to derision when it is a tool of manipulation and power. Indeed, this is the underlying truth in the multitudes contained in all of us and all our contradictions. It is why we write to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. It is why we write to act boldly but hold loosely. It is why we write to identify a strong set of core beliefs, yet to subject all else to harsh, regular scrutiny.

Ironically, all of this talk has me in a bit of a theatrical mood, so I hope you’ll forgive me (Socrates wouldn’t) one last bit of Holiness from Lord Tennyson, which I think a rather succinct expression of the full hearts with which we carry our vision for this new venture:

It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,

And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'

We are not now that strength which in old days

Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;

One equal temper of heroic hearts,

Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will

To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

 

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Chris_Pattonover 6 years ago

All life is a stage, so this article is taken with favorable reflection and applied. I would not mind taking a survey prepared roughly & immediately: that is, with enough options to express what I might like about Andrew Yang’s ideas/approach without putting me in his box, a survey that does not impose the choice limits that the big election narratives do, as so well-described on this website.


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Protopiacover 3 years ago

Really a fantastic note that I think is worth revisiting (thanks Ben for bringing my attention to it).

My thoughts:

The four theaters are useful and absorbing categories, and as I was reading the note I felt compelled to categorize. But as I began sorting, a couple questions came up:

  • What about intentionality? Does intent matter? Is the same deadly performance by a racoon and an “innocent” equally deadly? If intentionality does matter, then maybe the four theaters become eight.

  • What about cross-theatricality? It may be tempting to put Trumps and Musks into deadly theater, but I think it would be deeply inaccurate. Deadly theater is Biden (with a vestigial touch of Rough). Trump can Theater-switch (Rough to Deadly to occasional Immediate) with intentionality. It’s not easy to say which theatrical mode was his most dangerous one - I’d venture Rough. Musk, also switches theaters (I’ve made the case that he ventures into (good) Holy and (good) Immediate more than some would like to recognize). And I wouldn’t say that deadly theater is his comfort zone by any means.

So I ended up in a place where I couldn’t quite map good and evil to the theaters, as I was initially tempted to do. Danger lurks in all the theaters(-as-metaphors). And I really appreciate that Rusty made it clear that even Holy Theater can be used for good and evil. Historically, it’s hard to say which theater was the most empirically deadly. Was it the romantic love of country or the wholesale adoption of an ideology that made Naziism so fierce in Germany?

And I’m not exactly sold on “It’s ALL Deadly Theater today, ALL the time”. We can complain that everything is deadly theater. Mozart complained that everything was deadly theater. But it’s not easy to find moments in history when things were otherwise. Deadly theater is kinda the status quo by definition. As a lingua franca, deadly theater can be dangerous, not to mention dangerously relativist.

A couple of days ago I met with a young entrepreneur. He’s trying to create an app so that people with similar niche interests could find each other locally and meet up. During our talk, I asked him what sparked his interest in this concept. And he told me that he felt he needed something like this. I asked him what niche specifically. And he stumbled a bit, mentioned a few substacks and a few TV series, and finally announced that he didn’t want to just hang out with “basic bitches”.

My problem with his answer was not that he was elitist or condescending or crude. I, too, increasingly, have less interest in “basic bitches” (though I reserve the right to make exceptions). My problem was that non-basic was an awful niche and a lousy purpose. I’m not sure non-'deadly theater" is much more advanced.

And a little bit on theater. I love holy theater. My wife was working with Peter Brook as a stage manager around the time we first met. I was on the board of what I considered to be a Mecca for holy theater. Some have religious experience, others hallucinogenic ones – I had mine in the theater.

The last two decades have been tough on Holy Theater in the theater. So tough, in fact, that I gave up searching. If the theater world is a reflection of the real world, then I would have to agree with Ben that, increasingly, It’s All Deadly Theater, All the Time.

But, (leaving theater again) assuming Ben is right, I’m not sure IT IS ABOUT BEING RIGHT. Being right in this case means fighting against all non-truths and non-Truths. If we seek to take on All Deadly Theater, then our eyes are about as clear as Don Quixote’s. Mozart may have been right about Deadly Theater, but thankfully, that’s not the bulk of his legacy.

In practical terms, the lingua franca of All Dead Theater All The Time likely means an adjustment from MAKE, PROTECT, TEACH to make, PROTECT, teach. But it’s still not exactly clear to me what it is we are protecting. Families? Nest eggs? Sanity? Ok. That IS a lot. Is that enough? My gut says no.

That is: IT IS enough. But a pack it does not make. So, maybe, divided we stand.


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rguinnover 3 years ago

Thanks, Anatoly!

I think the issue you may be running into based on your questions here is that you want to use the one (major!) dimension of our dialogue this idea seeks to organize as a universal categorization scheme. It isn’t. I don’t think you can make intent or good and evil to the theatres. Plenty of deadly theatre is accidental and lots of people perform holy theatre thinking to communicate some underlying good (even when they ain’t).

I think we should generally prefer non-deadly theatre. I also think that the underlying goodness or badness of the response we seek to evoke through our use of meme is not perfectly correlated to, if not wholly independent of, the nature of how we perform. When I say I think it is important to recognize deadly theatre, it is not because I think it is some proxy or canary in the coal mine for “Bad Ideas” but because it is a destructive memetic communicative tendency independent of its underlying moral content (and to a much lesser degree, because I think that it is more likely than other forms to be associated with bad underlying moral content).

I disagree with this contention, or at least how I understand it, with some fervor. While I recognize you did not say exactly this, it is very popular these days to state something like, “Media, internet and social media aren’t changing us, they’re just revealing what we’ve always been!” I don’t agree with that at all. That’s the contention I’m going to be pushing back on - that is, I think social media has absolutely and permanently changed how our culture processes, produces, consumes and spreads memetic content as opposed to non-memetic (or less memetically loaded, if we’re going to be pedantic about whether the former can even exist) information.

If your contention is distinct from that characterization, I’ll be interested in discussing what you are saying a bit more after I’ve fleshed out my argument in favor of deadly theatre as its own problem worthy of a very high level of attention, which I haven’t yet done (in the original piece, or here). That also means I won’t really be making or arguing those contentions at length on the forum right now.


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Protopiacover 3 years ago

I think that when I wrote “deadly theater is kinda the status quo by definition”, I meant something close to your “…Deadly Theatre is by definition the Common Knowledge about what theatre is”.

But, I do have some thoughts on the point and counterpoint that you brought up.

“Media, internet and social media aren’t changing us, they’re just revealing what we’ve always been!” I don’t agree with that at all. That’s the contention I’m going to be pushing back on - that is, I think social media has absolutely and permanently changed how our culture processes, produces, consumes and spreads memetic content as opposed to non-memetic”

I’m not sure these contentions need to compete. Can’t we say instead:

“Media, internet and social media are just revealing what we’ve always been by changing how our culture processes, produces, consumes and spreads memetic content…”

Sure, it can be wordsmithed a bit, but I’m trying to point out a non-trivial non-dialectic. Let’s see if I can make this make sense:

America of the last ~300 years was, in a way, an awesome anti-memetic exception. Between the frontier, the melting pot, the new cities, etc. American culture benefited from a chaos(complexity?) that trumped memetics. Whereas, during most other times and settings across all of human history, Deadly Theater reigned supreme — and the cultures of those times reflected this memetic narrowness (and we should thank our lucky stars that we even got Mozart (and, by the way, Mozart in the Jungle is also pretty awesome)).

It’s tempting for me to use the BIG religions as examples here of fostering overbearing memetics, but let me try something more fun. Let’s try Italian food. Everybody loves Italian. Foodies love Italian and they go to Italy to experience it. What used to happen (this has changed in the last couple decades) was that if one went to an Italian region - say Piedmonte - they would not find Italian food. They would find Piedmontese food. Pretty much the same (delicious) 10-15 things on every menu in every restaurant. And the folks from Piedmonte would spend most of their lives eating those 10-15 things. If you have the time and budget, then you go to 10 regions and experience Italian food, but it’s not an accurate picture of the actual culture in Piedmonte. (Ironically, food was one of the things that Americans couldn’t get right for most of those 300 years).

I like food. The idea of having only 10-15 things to eat my whole life sounds awful to me. But it’s totally fine for our memetic Piedmontese peasants. Because they are not woke foodies like me.

So I understand that if your priors are Mark Twain’s America or Saul Bellow’s America, the current shallowing out of culture appears to be painfully dramatic. But those were exceptional priors — historical & sociological outliers.

My priors were in suburban NJ, where I got to spend my teenage years in the 90s. The sameness of culture was deafening there (a Todd Solondz movie will show better than I can tell).

Regardless, I agree deeply with “I think social media has absolutely and permanently changed how our culture processes, produces, consumes and spreads memetic content as opposed to non-memetic”. But I don’t think that gets you out of having to reckon with the bigger, non-pedantic, existential and historical (and Girardian?) Memetic question. If the historical trend has gone from a handful of big, deep “lifetime” memes to hundreds (or thousands) of shallow “current thing” memes — yes, things have changed, and a lot is being lost, but going back doesn’t seem like a great answer either.

We know the deadliness of the old deadly theater memes. We have yet to learn about how deadly the new ones will turn out. (Judging how the Ukraine conflict is playing out, downstream of Twitter, there’s certainly reason to be concerned at the geopolitical level. And, with the mental health crisis, and the loneliness crisis, and the next 10 absurd crises, things are likely to get scarier (especially for those with kids). And yet, the individualist in me still thinks, “well, if I can choose from thousands of memes, it sure beats the alternative”, and “Theater might have died, but as long as they keep making TV shows like The Great, I’ll get by.”

Anyway, I do think that bits and pieces of the American exceptionalism that I describe, as well as those from Italian food, and German romanticism, and Russian friendship loyalty, and beneficial(prosocial?) technologies, etc… can be pulled and collated into a new path(narrative superstructure?) forward. Maybe. I haven’t seen anybody try it, or anything close. And I do agree with you that this magical path forward would benefit from being minimally Deadly.


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Protopiacover 3 years ago

Another way to consider these contentions is through the lens of depth, in the sense that social media et al. are shallowing out our culture/humanity.

There is depth of tradition (chuch versus Lifetime Fitness ™ versus swiping habits), depth of craftsmanship (carpentry versus ikea), depth of expertise (study/practice/work versus Google Search), depth of sacrifice (service versus service ™), and even depth of emotion (I love you vs. love ya!), etc.

Alternatively, with the likes of GPT and Dall-e challenging humanity on its own turf by replicating our Kanneman System 1, perhaps depth can be simply defined as Kanneman System 2.

I’m finding it an interesting exercise to map depth onto the DHRI theater framework. At first, it appeared to me that depth may be found in approximately equal parts across deadly and holy. But on further reflection, since the ratio of Holy to Deadly is quite low even under the best circumstances, most depth is, and always was, in the service of Deadly (perhaps with the exception of work… my intuition tells me that honest work should somehow be elevated to holy, even if it’s the most plebeian variety).

But what makes depth so very special and critical is when it is in the service of the Holy. Without depth, there is no Holy. Without Holy, we lose the best of humanity’s achievements. We lose Mozart, Einstein, Brook, etc. So, quite a bit is at stake.

Whereas Deadly depth can be replaced/reinforced by systems (institutions, technologies, ecosystems, narrative machines) as we see happening in today’s markets, Holy can be a product of human depth and human depth only.

That is not to say that now we find ourselves in a “it’s All Deadly All the Time” situation. I think that’s missing the reality by a mile. Arguably, there’s more non-deadly theater today than ever — but it’s relegated to the shallow side of the pool — to the rough(populism) and immediate(social media).

I would say that the shallowing out of culture is a 100-year trend, just now going parabolic. But the supercharger of “social media” is not just extremifying the shallowness, it is also expanding its universe. Here, I would make a further bifurcation, noting that while the shallowing is certainly lamentable, the expansion is interesting and complex, and may yet have some wonderful and terrible emergent qualities.

Another thought: With so much flux in tech, culture, humanity - a new theater may emerge. Maybe something like a Network Theater.

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